5 - Understanding the Ultimate Principle of Reality
Subhūti, what do you think? Is the Tathāgata to be recognized by some material characteristic?
No, World-Honored One; the Tathāgata cannot be recognized by any material characteristic. Wherefore? Because the Tathāgata has said that material characteristics are not, in fact, material characteristics.
Buddha said: Subhūti, wheresoever are material characteristics there is delusion; but whoso perceives that all characteristics are in fact no-characteristics, perceives the Tathāgata.